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Post by Admin Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:42 am

ok i want everyones honest thoughts about this!! Rolling Eyes
i have had a male staffy here for the last few days,as a trial to see if everyone gets along!
now zander isnt desexed (rottweiler) and either is the male staffy,
2 days ago the staffy full on attacked zander,we were all just standing still and there was no reason for him to attack!!
my poor zander has been in bad shape for 2 days because he got a bite on the leg which got infected and puffed up and he couldnt move etc
its all fixed up now tho and he is back to him old self! Laughing
ever since we have kept them seperate and tryed to make sure there was no way it could happen again!
anyways i wont blaba on for ever but today my heart dropped!
i was out the front saying good bye to my brother when i seen zander coming from around the side (zander was out the back& the staffy around the front)
i tryed to grab zander as soon as i saw him but he walked straight up to the front door like he always does, when BAM the staffy attacked but this time zander wouldnt stop and had him pinned and was shaking him etc pale at this stage my brother was already half way up the rd im trying but they would stop fighting
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my brother came screaming back jumped out of his car and tryed to get them away from each other (zander still refusing to let go!!
my uncle which was with my brother came to help as i was petrified and trying to get chloe inside and then trying to help get them apart
i no some people will dissagree with this but finally my brother kick zander on the leg!zander ran away and we able to remove them both from the situation!!! Crying or Very sad
the first thing i did was made sure they were apart and couldnt get back together to fight again but then i had to check on the staffy Mad
staffy is fine with only druel and so is zander feeewww
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no one got hert this time!!!
thank god
my uncle has taken the staffy to his place untill i can contact the owners and get them to come and get him! silent

i dont want anyone to get hert so i am just going to give the staff back (which the owners said to do if something doesnt work out)

i dont blame zander for what he did today!i beleive he is still angrey with the staff for attacking him the other day and herting him!
zander is not and aggressive dog and i honestly think he was protecting him self!

ok basically i want everyones thoughts about this,what would you do to make everyone safe???
and keeping them seperate all the time isnt possible
have i done the right thing about removing the staffy from zanders yard?
i am still shaken from this! pale No
after the staffy attacked him 2 days ago i thought it was a one time thing and was willing to give it all another shot but today i just cant take anymore chances
have i done the right thing confused Sad Crying or Very sad
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Post by croc Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:26 am

this problem has gone on since man and dog found each other, it doesnt happen all the time but same sex dogs do have a tendancy to blue amoungst themselves, most times its a dominance thing,packorder theymay grow up together,sleep,eat,play, then all of a sudden its on, once they hit maturity something clicks with them, these are dogs that have grown up together, so if youve just introduced a new one, they would be trying to sort themselves out, most yards with a few dogs would have a leader of some sorts, and now and then a younger one will try their luck, it could just be the slightest thing that could start the fight, been there, done that, you were very lucky that you had some help or it could have been very ugly, ive found females worse than males, with what ve seen males tend to check each other before hand, females just hook straight in, mine are big powerful dogs and its hard to seperate them, i now have them seperated at all times and rotate them around, its a bad situation, something you will have to work out for yourself, if you cant seperate, then youve done the next best thing, you dont know when it will happen again and you could be on your own, who knows in the heat of the moment it just maybe you that they rip into when trying to stop them, your situation would have continued without separation, so yes, i believe you did the right thing, for your dog and yourself, cheers
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Post by Admin Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:53 am

thanks croc my uncles hand got torn up in the fight!!by zander
as i said to him he wouldnt have known or cared what it was and that he thought it was the dog!
the staffy was 4 yrs old so alot older than zander his only 1
i cant risk anydog getting hert;(
i was trying my best to get them appart but they wouldnt listen! if my brother and uncle didnt come back i would have had no choice but to let them fight it out if they would stop on my command!
my priorty was get chloe and my son away then try my best!
by brother came back not long ago to check on me and zander and he told me he thinks he kicked zander in the balls!!!
what ever he did it got them apart and saved the staffy its life and zander from being hert!
i can confirm none of the dogs have bite wounds this time!!! Smile
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Post by LeasyPetGroomer Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:57 am

I had the exact same problem with introducing a male dog to my others, the females were fine about it, but the other male wasnt, we tried alot of things like slowly introducing eachother with both of them on a lead, but since they showed an instant hate we tried washing them all so they smelled the same, had them on either side of a door so they could smell eachother, swaped dog blankets etc. we then had them on either side of the yard on a lead feeding treats and walking them around the "territory" then walked them around the block a few times together so they wouldnt have much energy. Then we eventually let them closer together so smell and straight away it was on, they grabbed eachother trying to fight lucky they were still on a lead and we seperated them so I put soft mesh muzzels on them and tried again, they wrestled for ages foaming at the mouth and carrying on, neither one was going to submit. But usually between them they will sort out pecking order and then you need to reinforce it by feeding and petting the "boss" first. But in our case both males were older, undesexed and stubborn so the new male had to go. So, you done the right thing Very Happy I couldnt have my dogs caged or on a chain, I dont like it, not that there is anything wrong with it, I just love spoiling my dogs and seeing them all playing together in the yard.
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Post by Admin Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:02 am

thanks
i just couldnt risk it i tried my best but the staffy was just male aggressive!!!
zanders yard and i dont want to ruin the life my dogs have atm
the staffy has gone! and everyone is safe not harmed and happy!!
the owners totally aggreed it was the right thing,i just love chloe so much i thought a male like her would be great but unfortantly it didnt work so its just me zander and chloe and my son and fiance again! i am happy this way but he was a really nice boy and i just didnt want to risk anyone getting hurt again
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Post by Admin Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:04 am

and i blame my self a bit because i no most male undesexed dont get along but luckly it was a trial and not a wam bam thank you mam your stuck with the dog kind of thing
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Post by LeasyPetGroomer Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:10 am

well you tried, you sound alot like me, its hard to say no to a dog in need of a home. Sometimes it works, sometimes it dosnt, you just never know. I got my male dog when he was 4 yrs old and there was a small desexed foxie that was running the yard lol it was funny to watch him boss a dog that was 10 times his size. Then when I took him home he let my cats boss him around, but now he dosnt like any other dogs unless they are female Wink
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Post by Admin Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:12 am

my main concern was some one getting hert but its back to the way it was so everyone is happy &safe Smile
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Post by sharreem Wed Oct 01, 2008 3:56 am

Poor Zander... sounds like his territory was at risk.. Stick with two dogs. I know its sounds cruel but a dog that wants to fight might need desexing to settle the hormones otherwise keep other dogs out of his own territory
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Post by Admin Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:01 am

yes but remember the staffy attacked him first!
i want to let zander be mated once before i desex him!
but he will be getting desexed soon!!
and yer sharreem sticking with 2 dogs Smile Smile
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Post by Mali Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:49 am

Would having the two dogs castrated help? The trouble is once males or females starting fighting between themselves it can turn into a nightmare. I hope that they do not fight again but I would think about castration, training and more socialisation perhaps.
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Post by LeasyPetGroomer Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:41 pm

Just from what my vet told me, she said desexing dogs wont stop fighting, it can maybe tone it down which is unlikely if the dog is mature, but for the best result the dog should be desexed when a puppy. Its a hard call to make, you never know how a dog will respond to another. But training and socialisation would have to be the key ingredient. Not that admin has to worry about this anymore, but is interesting to read others experiences and ideas with this. How are your dogs now after everything? I found my dog to be a bit touchy for a little while, had to settle back in with the other dogs?
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Post by Admin Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:59 pm

great post Smile
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Post by Phoenix Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:24 am

It's a case of establishing Alpha!
Happens in the wild everyday. Someone will always be leader while the rest fall into order of heirachy. In our case as "owners" of animals we must establish Alpha and the rest are all no.2's. Works at my place with my dog, cat & partner Laughing
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Post by bubblesbaby Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:53 pm

I think you have done the right thing by removing the staffy,it dont look like they will get on,maybe a young dog might be ok to introduce gradually to your rotty ,but make sure he is well restrained on a lead.I have always been told put the hose on them,if they fight,maybe you could try that if you need to anougher time. Very Happy
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Post by Admin Sat Oct 04, 2008 9:32 pm

thats bubblesbaby Smile
apparently the staffy has gone to another home with another male staffy affraid
both undesexed but they said that havent had fight!!!
im thinking now that the staffy was intimidated by zanders size!!?
zander is fine with puppys and kittens it was just he wasnt taken crap from the staffy again i think
and ive always got told that the hose can make some dogs go for it even worse!!!!!!
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